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Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1824	Posted - 2015.11.17 10:59:53 - [1] - Quote just remember if you try and fix bumping because people get bumped in highsec then you are affecting a legitimate tactic used in every space, stop being selfish. Lets just make everything really safe so nobody can die then watch the tears because nobody is buying any supplies Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1832	Posted - 2015.11.17 14:56:48 - [2] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: just remember if you try and fix bumping because people get bumped in highsec then you are affecting a legitimate tactic used in every space, stop being selfish. Lets just make everything really safe so nobody can die then watch the tears because nobody is buying any supplies Which is why my counter proposal was to make it require an active module to return the capability, which could then be easily flagged as criminal or outright aggression for crimewatch and concordokken. However, even that much may soon be a non-issue if capitals lose their ewar immunity. why should you have an active module for crashing into someone, freighters can already fit rigs to stop this, stop trying to ruin someone else gameplay because you are to lazy to take any action against it Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1832	Posted - 2015.11.17 15:14:32 - [3] - Quote protip: align the same way you are being bumped trolololol Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1832	Posted - 2015.11.17 16:33:09 - [4] - Quote yes i am a troll and feed off ideas to fix things that are not broken Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1846	Posted - 2015.11.18 12:54:10 - [5] - Quote to get it away from the gate so it cant crash it? get it out of range of sentry guns? sorta like a murderer dragging a victim up a dark alley Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1850	Posted - 2015.11.18 13:00:04 - [6] - Quote why shouldnt gankers be allowed to do ping play? Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1852	Posted - 2015.11.18 13:38:19 - [7] - Quote ping play is pretty much the same as sitting on a titan waiting for the cyno bait to light a cyno Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1857	Posted - 2015.11.18 16:55:19 - [8] - Quote he actually talks sense so your only hiding from the truth Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1869	Posted - 2015.11.19 11:41:28 - [9] - Quote solve all problems....remove the autopilot button Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1869	Posted - 2015.11.19 12:34:04 - [10] - Quote jump freighters die quite often from null entities so i dont know where you get that from Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|

Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1872	Posted - 2015.11.19 13:19:20 - [11] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lan Wang wrote: jump freighters die quite often from null entities so i dont know where you get that from What they don't get though, is picked off at gatecamps by gankers. Their window of vulnerability is much, much smaller than freighters. how is their vulnerability much smaller? genuine question, they cant jump straight to jita so still have that trip from lowsec to trade hubs, but i guess the extra 7bil in cost is what gives it that invulnerability? Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1872	Posted - 2015.11.19 13:20:48 - [12] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Daret wrote: I'm not a very experienced pilot so It's very likely that I could be overlooking some glaring issues with this proposal, But I'm open to suggestions and tweaks. What you are missing is that this is not needed. Same can be said for bumping itself. bumping needs to stay its a legit tactic in all spaces will kill alot of pvp removing it Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1873	Posted - 2015.11.19 13:42:27 - [13] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: Zimmer Jones wrote: Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great if freighter pilots started to auto destruct and eject to save their SP? Wouldn't it be great if gankers lost SP when concord ganked them? Unlike haulers(and every PvE playstyle for that matter), gankers already have numerous consequences attached to their playstyle. In fact they're pretty much the only playstyle that has mechanical consequences anymore, now that faction standings don't mean anything. By all means, do share the consequences of ganking defenseless freighters outside of wardecs with super cheap destroyers in large groups, in a world where your negative 10 sec status doesn't prevent you from docking in hi-sec or hiding behind a POS until the opportune moment arrives to warp to your broskies for 20 seconds of risk free pvp. Regale the rest of us as to the impact it has on your assets and wallet by using a comparison to your victim's situation after the fact. Fun fact: 90% of your solo kills are "defenceless freighters" and other defenceless ships Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1875	Posted - 2015.11.19 15:22:05 - [14] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Daret wrote: I'm not a very experienced pilot so It's very likely that I could be overlooking some glaring issues with this proposal, But I'm open to suggestions and tweaks. What you are missing is that this is not needed. Same can be said for bumping itself. bumping needs to stay its a legit tactic in all spaces will kill alot of pvp removing it A very interesting claim. My son has been in the PvP side of this game for more than 8 years now and the groups he has flown with have never used bumping as a tactic and it has not hindered their ability to kill others. I am not saying that it is not a valid tactic to use, just questioning what the impact on PvP other than ganking would be if bumping was removed? the ability to knock stuff away from gates who are burning back to "gate crash", bumping capitals from rep range of logi, its sort of the wolf pack logic, splitting the group sort of mentality, ive seen it used in a video made in null where supers were fighting, they couldnt break the reps so picked an aeon which was a little away from the rest of the group and started bumping it away till it was out of rep range then killed it. An old fc i know managed to guess the password to a pos with a nyx inside, obviously the fleet had to bump it out of the pos shields before it could be killed. basically if reps are too strong then this tactic can be the only way to break the reps and cause damage. there is so many applications where bumping is a totally legit tactic to counter things like station games etc Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1885	Posted - 2015.11.20 13:03:28 - [15] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: Mike Voidstar wrote: Now that was funny. Well done sir. What was funny? I didn't find the death threats against my family funny nor do I enjoy the slurs leveled against me personally for just playing a video game as it was designed. And I definitely do not find it funny you don't think it is necessary to condemn that behaviour. I'm glad you find the whole thing funny, I guess. Well, this thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Bumping is bumping. It has been with us forever, and will be for a while still until some time when CCP may change it and then it will not be. Then, a similar thread will emerge from the same people complaining about this hypothetical replacement mechanic which will still allow freighters to be shot in highsec, people who seem destined to be ever-confused about what type of game this is. And the circle of Eve will continue. Hmmm... How did we get there... We "played a game" by dehumanizing another player and either destroying or taking what amounts to weeks of his efforts. Not content to let him sputter in anger, we then continued to harass him, mockingly sent him a survey to gauge his satisfaction, often destroyed a few more weeks of his work, and continuously provoked him into anger until he spouts gibberish in his impotent rage. Then we pretend to take offense at his gibberish. its clearly explained thats what this game is about yet people complain about it, its funny really Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1907	Posted - 2015.11.23 10:26:22 - [16] - Quote nothing needs added to freighter safety, you wanna fly a capital ship then take your own precautions to protect it like everyone else Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1907	Posted - 2015.11.23 10:35:24 - [17] - Quote colonise lowsec? i thought they went for a roam and got smacked around by snuffbox? Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1914	Posted - 2015.11.23 16:43:34 - [18] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: I have said bumping on its own is stupid. i think its legit Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1917	Posted - 2015.11.24 09:25:30 - [19] - Quote Brechan Skene wrote: This scenario of whether or not 'bumping' is deemed an exploit would have been solved if CCP had come out and stated what the current rules were to 'bumping'. However the only thing they have so far stated is that the previous view , the rules regarding 'bumping', as outdated and is not deemed current. Whatever that means, it would be nice to know the updated stance. Also instead of just stating what are the current do's and don't they have just locked the thread in C&P. Good work CCP now according to you their are no acknowledge, up to date, rules concerning 'bumping' currently in place. probably means they dont know how to fix it without p***ing off 99% of the playerbase Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1919	Posted - 2015.11.24 09:38:30 - [20] - Quote we dont need rules for bumping into something which is pretty avoidable if the correct counter measures are taken. Ive said it before, bumping is a valid tactic in every space, stop trying to mess around with it because a freighter gets bumped in highsec Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|

Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1922	Posted - 2015.11.24 12:58:32 - [21] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: It wasn't intended that 200 carriers would drop sentries just after down time an lag kill everyone that tries to interfere with what they are doing. cant exactly web the server to make it go faster though can you? Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 1923	Posted - 2015.11.24 14:01:16 - [22] - Quote bumping is not emergent gameplay Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|

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